The good: The iPad Mini's ultrathin and light design is far more intimate and booklike than the larger iPad, and its cameras, storage capacities, optional LTE antenna, and general functionality offer a full iPad experience. The screen's dimensions elegantly display larger-format magazines and apps.
The bad: The iPad Mini costs too much, especially considering the lower resolution of its 7.9-inch non-Retina Display. The A5 processor isn't as robust as the one in the fourth-gen iPad and iPhone 5. Typing on the smaller screen is not quite as comfy.
The bottom line: If you want the full, polished Apple tablet experience in a smaller package, the iPad Mini is worth the premium price. Otherwise, good alternatives are available for less money.
The tablet landscape, at the smaller-screened end, has become about
pricing. Or so it seems. Don't tell that to the iPad Mini. Apple's
long-awaited, and finally real, tinier tablet is remarkably thinner and
lighter than its big-boned, newly arrived fourth-gen iPad sibling, but it also starts at $329, a price that's well above the bargain-basement $199 target floated by devices like the
Nexus 7, Amazon Kindle Fire HD, and Nook HD.
Certainly, the tablet playing field -- especially when it comes to media
-- is leveling. The Kindle's book, video, and app ecosystem is
impressive in its own right. The Nook has made gains with its apps and
services. Android has Google Play. Regardless, none of these can truly
compare to the breadth of content from Apple's App Store and iTunes. The
App Store is Apple's great gold mine, and the iPad Mini's price seems
to be banking on you knowing that. And, in that sense, the iPad Mini may
be worth its price.
But, the original iPad hit a sweet-spot $499 price that few competitors
could match. The Mini's price is about $130 higher than many similar
7-inch tablets that undercut it. It's even more expensive than some
newly arriving 8.9-inch tablets from Amazon and Barnes & Noble.
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The iPad Mini is really a shrunken-down iPad 2. Or, a larger iPod Touch. The original iPad
was a larger iPod Touch, too, in a lot of ways. That didn't make it any
less appealing. Here, the tablet is not intended to be a laptop
alternative -- it's a Kindle
alternative. This is a compact reader/viewer. Of documents, magazines,
movies, games. Maybe even for editing or creating. And it's spectacular
at being portable.
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What's unique about the Mini? Without a doubt, it's the
design. It's cute, it's discreet, and it's very, very light. It feels
like a whole new device for Apple. It's light enough to hold in one
hand, something that wasn't really true of the iPad if held for extended
periods of time. It's bedroom-cozy. Other full-fledged 7-inch tablets
feel heavier and bulging by comparison.
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This is a new standard for little-tablet design. It
makes the iPad feel fresh. After a week of using the iPad Mini, it seems
to find a way to follow me everywhere. It's extremely addictive, and
fun to use.
But oh, that screen. It's not bad, not at all, but it's not a Retina
Display. It's not even as high-res as screens on other 7-inch tablets.
If you're obsessive about crisp text, you'll notice the fuzziness. If
you're comparing the Mini with a laptop, you won't. I wanted that
display to be as good as the one on the
iPhone 5,
iPod Touch, and Retina iPad. It isn't, not now. It mars the product for
me, because otherwise, the screen size and its aspect ratio are perfect
for handling comics, magazines, and reading apps.
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Is the iPad Mini worth its premium, at nearly $130 more
than some of the competition? If you're looking to get an iPad for the
least amount of money, the answer is yes. If you're investing in
iOS-land for the first time, this is a very good starting point.
A Retina Display and a lower price would have made the iPad Mini
perfect. The fourth-gen iPad, in contrast, is a superior device under
the hood, with much faster performance and a better-quality screen.
Still, for many people, the Mini will be preferable because it's less
expensive and perfectly portable. For others, it'll be the second iPad
-- the kid iPad, the beach iPad. I love this iPad; I'm just not sure I
need to own it.
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Editors' note: Updated on November 30 with an added section after testing the LTE version of the Mini.)
Design
Regardless of your feelings about the Mini's price, or its A5 processor
and non-Retina 7.9-inch display, here's what you'll notice when you pick
it up: it's really shockingly nice to hold.
The iPad Mini is a design shift from the iPad, and perhaps the biggest
one in the iPad's entire history. Despite how popular the iPad's been,
it's not really a device that's very comfortable to use when you're not
sitting down or at a desk. It's a use-when-you-get-there device, or
use-when-comfortably-seated. An iPhone or iPod Touch is truly mobile,
and the iPad is only halfway there.
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That's not the case for the Mini. The iPad Mini is an extremely
easy-to-hold tablet that, despite its wider form, feels as light as a
Kindle. Not a Kindle Fire, but a Kindle. At 0.28 inch thin and 0.68
pound (0.69 for the LTE versions), it's the slimmest and lightest
7-inch-range tablet around, although it has a larger footprint (7.87
inches by 5.3 inches). It's thinner than an iPhone 5, and seems
proportionally as razor-thin as the new iPod Touch.
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In fact, the iPad Mini feels very much like the new Touch, even down to
the curved wraparound aluminum shell and flat back. It lies down far
more flatly than the fourth-gen iPad, more like a wafer. The headphone
jack at the top and Lightning connector and speakers at the bottom are
carved into less tapered, more curved side edges. Around the front glass
is an angled aluminum bezel like on the iPhone 5.
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The white model, which I reviewed, has a standard
aluminum back. The black model has a slate-colored anodized aluminum,
giving it that same "stealth" look as the iPod Touch.
Fourth-gen iPad, iPad Mini, iPod Touch.
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The iPad Mini's extremely whittled-down side bezels are much less
conspicuous than the larger iPad's bezels, which always made it resemble
a MacBook screen that had floated away from its keyboard. The Mini
truly feels like a large iPod Touch, which is exactly what we used to
call the iPad back in 2010. It's far more apt now.
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You probably won't think that, though, because the iPad
Mini won't easily fit in your pocket, or even your jacket pocket. It's
more of a purse, small bag, or large-coat-pocket device. It'll fit
wherever you'd fit a softcover book.
The construction feels solid, stellar, fun to hold. The home button
clicks crisply. It doesn't feel like a lower-priced product in your
hands. It might be, in terms of form, the most addictive iOS product in
existence. And it's perfectly sized for kid hands. It's far more suited
for use in cars and traveling.
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But the Mini shouldn't be a surprising product. A device smaller than
the iPad that can run apps? That's always existed. That's called the
iPhone. The really impressive feat of the iPad Mini, the surprise, is
that it seems to handle all the iPad's normal duties while being
shrunken down. All except effortless onscreen typing, although it comes
close.
Gripping, swiping, and typing: Thumbs and fingers
So, what about that smaller bezel? Holding it suddenly becomes a
delicate-seeming proposition. I worried I'd accidentally start an app
with my big palms, or turn a page by accident. That didn't happen to me.
Apple has worked finger-rejection technology into the hardware and
software of the iPad Mini that's context-dependent. All I know is that
when reading books on the Kindle app or iBooks, I found holding on the
side wasn't a problem. When I typed, the entire edge-to-edge surface
became sensitive to my entire hand.
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In landscape mode, the longer and thicker top and bottom bezel come in
handy: it offers more of a grip when viewing videos, and I found that it
also helped make the iPad Mni comfier when playing games.
The tweener size of the Mini means you can hold it in portrait mode and
thumb-type like on an iPhone or iPod. It works pretty well, for the most
part. I was even able to thumb-type in landscape mode, with a little
stretching. Typing more traditionally works better than I expected,
although I became more of a finger hunt-and-pecker than a spread-finger
typist. The 7.9-inch display certainly isn't as wide as the average
laptop keyboard, and the virtual keys, while well-sized, require a bit
of adjustment to use.
You can also hold the iPad Mini in one hand and thumb-swipe, but I
wouldn't recommend it. It's not as intuitive as on an iPhone, although
it could be fine for simple page-turning taps.
The screen: Retina-free Your feelings about the iPad Mini's
screen will all depend on how much time you've spent with Retina
Displays or high-pixel-count devices. If you own a recent iPhone or the
last iPad, you'll feel that this screen is blurry. Text isn't as sharp.
The pixels per inch don't even match what's available on a Kindle Fire HD or Nook HD.
The iPad Mini has a 1,024x768-pixel display, just like the iPad 2's,
but writ smaller with a denser pixel count per inch. However, the
smaller-screened Kindle Fire HD has a 1,280x800-pixel display. So does
the
Google Nexus 7. The Nook HD has an even higher-res display at 1,440x900 pixels.
The Nexus 7, iPad Mini, Nook HD, and Kindle Fire HD.
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All three cost considerably less than the iPad Mini,
and all three have much higher, denser pixel counts. The iPad Mini’s
7.9-inch screen has more physical real estate in terms of square inches
(let's just call it an 8-inch screen, because it very nearly is), but
fewer pixels per inch. You’re trading size for high-res crispness.
So, the iPad Mini not only has a lower-resolution screen than much of
the competition, but it's probably the least impressive screen of
Apple's 2012 stable of iOS devices. The iPod Touch, iPhone 5, and
fourth-gen iPad all seem brighter, more vibrant, and far
higher-definition.
However, if you've used an iPad 2, the text is crisper. It's readable,
even with smaller fonts such as those used in e-mail. With games and
videos, you won't notice quite as much because graphics and videos are
often in constant motion. Even there, though, I could see a clear
difference playing HD videos and a variety of games. The IPS display has
excellent wide-angle viewing, and it's very bright. It may not be as
good as a Retina Display, but it's every bit as good as the iPad 2's
screen. I held both up side by side and found the colors and vibrancy to
be similar, although the iPad Mini is less bright at its highest
setting.
In deeper, in-depth tests using CNET's TV-testing
equipment, the iPad Mini's display was revealed to indeed be less bright
at its highest setting, but also less color-accurate than the
nearly-perfect Retina Displays on the iPhone 5 and third and fourth-gen
iPads. When looking at photos or movies, you can definitely tell the
difference side-by-side.
Even if, for all the incredible design that the iPad Mini has going for
it otherwise, that screen feels like a comparative letdown, there's big
ace in the iPad Mini's hole. A huge one, actually. It has to do with
aspect ratio.
This 7.9-inch display isn't 16:9 like the iPhone 5 or most Android
tablets. That means the screen width is wider, more like a page of a
book. It's the same as on the iPad, but on this smaller screen, with the
iPad Mini's shrunken-down side bezels like an iPod Touch, it feels
extra-wide. Web pages fit more across the screen, allowing the text to
be bigger. More importantly, digital magazines and illustrated books can
be rendered without squishing down too much.
Apple's made a big deal of this, but let me tell you the real killer
apps here: the future of digital publications. Textbooks. Basically, any
layout-sensitive graphically intensive e-books. The iPad Mini doesn't
squish that content down like what often happens to it on 16:10 7-inch
screens. An iBooks version of DK Publishing's "Dinosaurs" looked
wonderful and engaging. So did the kids' book/app "Bobo Explores Light."
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Maybe most impressively, nearly every larger iPad app I've thrown at it
feels usable and comfortable at this smaller screen size. Board games
with tiny buttons, media-editing apps, games with virtual control pads,
and even using the onscreen virtual keyboard. It's book-size, but the
apps feel largely the same.
iPad Mini as e-reader You could be of two minds about this.
Yes, the non-Retina Display means text that's less sharp. It feels like a
miscalculation on a device so clearly targeted at reading. Yet, hold
the iPad Mini back a foot and increase the font size, and you probably
won't notice.
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The more booklike 4:3 aspect ratio and its more natural compatibility
with PDF files, comics, magazines, and layout-sensitive graphic novels
give the iPad Mini an edge over other 7-inch tablets. For pure text, the
Mini may not be the best. For other media, it has its advantages, even
without a Retina Display. I never found myself unable to enjoy a
magazine or book, although I did find myself wishing the resolution were
sharper (reading the "Dark Knight Returns" comic, in particular).
One big advantage of the iPad Mini with iOS: it's compatible with all
the big services (Kindle, Nook, Google Books). It's the closest to a
universal e-book reader.
iPad Mini as video player That 4:3 aspect ratio has a
drawback, of course, and that's video playing. Movies and HD TV shows
will inevitably be more letterboxed than on a 16:9 tablet like the Nexus
7 and Kindle Fire HD. On a Retina Display iPad, you at least have
enough pixels to make for sharp video viewing in the space provided. On a
1,024x768-pixel display, it means the letterboxed video has an even
lower resolution.
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Most shows still look very watchable, no worse than on the iPad 2 (and a
little better since the pixels are smaller), and there are plenty of
apps and services that the iPad Mini is compatible with, from
subscription-based streaming to cable accessory TV apps to video stores
like iTunes and Amazon Video on Demand. The iPad Mini has the greatest
flexibility for apps and services among competing tablets, which is its
huge edge.
Two speakers tucked on either side of the Lightning connector on the
bottom edge pump out decent volume for such a small device. They're good
enough to listen to music and videos with. Two aluminum volume buttons
on the right edge are flat like on the iPhone 5, but longer, and not
tapered like the plastic iPad's volume button. They're easy to feel for
and press.
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iPad Mini as game handheld The smaller dimensions of the Mini
make it more comfortable for two-handed gaming. Games with virtual
joysticks and buttons feel much less awkward than they do on the larger
iPad. Games like N.O.V.A. 3, Geometry Wars, and Galaxy on Fire 2 HD felt
much more like handheld games, as opposed to games grafted onto a
tablet. Board games and games with lots of little buttons still held up
well, too. Kingdom Rush, a tower-defense game with lots of little icons,
held up great. So did the relatively complex board game Ticket to Ride.
The Mini's design and weight also makes it a surprisingly comfortable
device to hold in landscape mode.
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Even though Apple touts the iPod Touch as a great gaming handheld, you
could make the argument that the iPad Mini, because of the extra screen
real estate, is even better. Consider it the Apple version of the
Nintendo 3DS XL.
Hardware features: Nothing really left out Many of the more
affordable tablets out there have missing features that are more common
in higher-priced alternatives: expandable storage, HDMI video-out,
rear-facing cameras. That's the case on the Google Nexus 7. The iPad
Mini has all the same features, essentially, as found in the larger
iPad: Bluetooth 4.0, front- and rear-facing cameras, video-out and SD
card (for loading photos) via the Lightning connector, AirPlay
compatibility, and optional LTE via Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T
models. As always, storage isn't expandable, but the same storage
options are offered as on the fourth-gen iPad: 16GB, 32GB, 64GB.
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Performance: Welcome back, A5 The venerable dual-core A5
processor has been around since 2011, and has been seen in everything
from the iPad 2 to the iPhone 4S, fifth-gen iPod Touch, and Apple TV.
The version in the Mini most closely matches the iPad 2's, with the same
512MB of RAM. The non-Retina screen has the same iPad 2 resolution:
1,024x768 pixels. The iPad Mini is really a smaller, redesigned,
enhanced iPad 2. Or, it's a bigger fifth-gen iPod Touch, which has very
similar components and actually costs $30 less for twice the base
storage (32GB). However, keep in mind that the iPod Touch's 4-inch
screen, even in Retina Display, isn't the same as the new iPad Mini's.
It's more cramped, it's not as ideal for reading, and you certainly
can't access larger documents and media-editing apps as easily.
What does that mean in terms of performance? I loaded up a bunch of
games and apps, ranging from GarageBand to graphics-intensive games like
Gameloft's N.O.V.A. 3, Real Racing 2 HD, and The Room, as well as
standard apps like Ticket to Ride, Tweetbot, Netflix, HBO Go, Hulu Plus,
Pages, iMovie, and Flipboard.
Apps loaded and played at the same speeds as on the iPad 2: good, but
not blazing fast. Apps tended to load a few seconds slower on average
than on the fourth-gen iPad, with its generation-and-a-half faster A6X
processor. Web pages loaded on my home Fios network a few seconds behind
the third- and fourth-gen iPads. Booting up the iPad Mini straight from
full shutdown took 31 seconds.
On
Geekbench,
a popular benchmarking app on iOS, the iPad Mini got a score of 752
versus the iPad 2's 755. Comparatively, I found the iPhone 5 got up to
1,461, while the fourth-gen iPad hit 1,761 (higher is better). That type
of score doesn't really reflect the feel of average app performance,
and the iPad Mini is definitely not a speed demon compared with the
iPhone 5 and fourth-gen iPad. It does, however, show that the Mini is
nearly as fast as the third-gen iPad at many tasks, and is at least iPad
2-level at everything else. Using the SunSpider JavaScript 0.9.1
benchmarking test, the iPad Mini ran the test at an average of 1,503
milliseconds (lower is better), compared with the Google Nexus 7, which
ran the same test at an average of 1,705 milliseconds. By comparison,
the fourth-generation Retina Display iPad ran the same test at a blazing
876 milliseconds.
The iPad Mini's Wi-Fi connection speeds are, on a whole, better.
Dual-band 2.5GHz and 5GHz 802.11 a/b/g/n Wi-Fi bring an improvement in
speed over previous iOS devices. The iPhone 5 and fourth-gen iPad both
have dual-band.
iOS 6 For more on all the various features of iOS 6, read CNET editor Jason Parker's full review.
Most the iOS 6 features you'd expect are here, including Siri, which is
curiously absent from the equally well-equipped iPad 2. Apple's
Passbook app, oddly, didn't make the cut, even though it's included on
the iPod Touch.
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Of course, Apple's controversial Maps app is also present, with 3D
Flyover and direction capabilities. I haven't been able to test whether
turn-by-turn works on the LTE version.
iPad Mini as camera
One improvement in the iPad Mini compared
with the iPad 2 is its cameras. It has a 5-megapixel iSight rear-facing
camera and a FaceTime HD front-facing camera, the same cameras that are
on the third-gen iPad and later. The fifth-gen iPod Touch has a better
camera, with more features and an LED flash. The Mini lacks app features
such as HDR and Panorama, although other apps from the App Store have
those functions.
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The point is, the Mini's cameras are more than good enough for
snapshots, 1080p video recording, and high-quality FaceTime calls.
They're above average for budget-tablet cameras.
Photo taken with the Mini's back camera. My taste can be discussed later.
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Holding the iPad Mini is an easier affair, so it's also feasible to use
this device to take photos and video, something I've yet to see a normal
friend of mine do with a larger iPad. It's not your next
point-and-shoot, but it could do in a pinch. Photos taken with the Mini
turned around are about as good as any iPad photo I've ever seen.
LTE and the Mini: perfect match?
For
an extra $130, the iPad Mini can be outfitted with LTE cellular, in
either Sprint, Verizon, or AT&T variants. That's a steep upgrade
cost over the base price of the $329 iPad Mini, bumping the price tag to
a $459. And yet, I've had a chance to live with a Verizon LTE version
of the Mini for a couple of weeks, and found the freedom of LTE to be a pretty killer app.
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First of all, few tablets this small and thin have LTE
at all, making it one of the future-forward elements of the Mini.
Secondly, the LTE version has GPS, enabling turn-by-turn navigation on
the go. It’s excellent in a car: in fact, the Mini’s size comes close to
the dashboard screens in many cars. I wouldn’t be surprised to see car
mount solutions arriving imminently.
It’s also a nice surprise to
answer FaceTime calls, respond to iMessages, or even use VOIP calling
-- not to mention basic e-mail, Web browsing, and the like -- with a
device this portable. With LTE enabled, it feels even more like Apple’s
stealth super-large phone. This is the most portable non-phone device
Apple makes with LTE, no contract necessary. That could factor in for
travelers who like the idea of using the LTE iPad for wireless tethering
alongside other devices, too.
Apple claims an hour less battery
life on average for Web surfing on the LTE iPad Mini. In my everyday
use, I found the LTE Mini still packed more than enough juice on a
charge that I didn't ever worry much about recharging.
Data
plans, while contract-free, aren’t super-cheap, but I found that
Verizon’s LTE access speed was generally very fast, with the typical
shifts from LTE to 3G depending on where you are in the country. In my
own home in Montclair, New Jersey, I got an average speed of only 7.4
Mbps download / 2.0 Mbps upload, but at a cafe I quickly ramped up to
27.4 Mbps download / 14.4 Mbps upload. On the Upper West Side of
Manhattan at the 82nd Street Barnes & Noble, I got speeds of 27.9
Mbps download / 16.6 Mbps upload. Antenna signal strength generally help
up well, about as well as on an iPhone.
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Smart Cover, gone mini
The iPad Mini even has its own little Smart Cover ($39) available in six
colors, although the design is different from the larger version
available for the 9.7-inch iPad. The all-polyurethane design doesn't
have an aluminum latch, so it grips more softly to the Mini's side. The
cover also has one fewer segment in its folding design.
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The Smart Cover still folds up to be a stand or a
keyboard riser, but it joins into a similar triangle with no fold-over.
It's just strong enough to support the iPad Mini, working equally well
for typing and for picture-stand use. And it feels a bit more fun on a
smaller device.
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Unfortunately, just like with the larger iPad, the Smart Cover doesn't
protect the iPad Mini's back. People will be tempted to buy a full-body
case or a back cover as well.
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In the box: Lightning and charger, no headphones The included
gear is -- as always -- limited when it comes to the iPad. The iPad
Mini includes a Lightning cable and an AC adapter, which is actually the
smaller version that comes with the iPhone 5. The two are
cross-compatible. No larger AC brick is needed.
EarPods, Apple's newly designed headphones, are not included. Earbuds never came with any other iPad, either.
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The new Lightning connector, introduced with the iPhone 5, is easier to
plug in and takes up less space, but most other gadgets use Micro-USB.
Extra Lightning cables can add HDMI-out and camera/SD card slot input
capabilities. If you have older 30-pin connectors you can use a separate
adapter, although it's not guaranteed that it'll mean a fit with older
accessories and devices.
Battery life
Apple claims 10 hours of battery life for the iPad Mini, 9 hours using
LTE. That’s equivalent to the claims for the larger fourth-gen iPad, and
iPads in general going back to 2010.
Our battery test told an
even better story: the iPad Mini held up through 12.1 hours of video
playback, which is remarkable for such a small tablet. The Nexus 7,
comparatively, only lasted 8.4 hours on the same test. Over a week of
use the Mini seemed to last well more than a full day of use, and then
some. After playing games, streaming videos, downloading large files,
and using the tablet for everything I could think of, I had a hard time
fully depleting its battery over the course of a single day. The new
fourth-gen iPad lasted an hour longer at 13.1 hours, but you'd expect it
to.
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Conclusion The iPad Mini is one of the few
new product lines that Apple has unveiled this year, yet it's really
just an incredibly shrunken-down redesign of the iPad 2. It's a perfect
size and weight and works exactly as advertised: it's a truly portable
iPad with excellent battery life and nearly no compromises, except for
lacking the most cutting-edge Retina Display technology and fastest
processors. And it's priced above the budget range that's represented by
devices from Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Google. For a rundown on
the iPad Mini versus the competition, read CNET editor Jessica Dolcourt's comparison.
If the iPad Mini had a Retina Display, a newer A6 processor, and a
slightly lower price, it would be the must-have Apple gadget of the
year. Even without those things, it's still incredibly appealing. Its
$329 price still makes it one of the least expensive iOS gadgets Apple
makes. Does it make more sense than a $299 iPod Touch with the same
processor, twice the storage, and a sharper, if smaller, screen? The
Touch is a tiny thing; the iPad Mini can be used at a distance, to read
and even to type. So can a Touch, but it's not as comfy. It comes down
to choice. The iPad Mini works with all of Apple's apps. It's superior
for magazines and news, and for illustrated books.
I'm not sure who the iPad Mini is for. The budget-minded, perhaps, or
kids, or those who want a second iPad. Businesses that want a more
portable on-site iPad. People who want to mount an iPad in their
vehicles. Actually, I guess I know exactly who the iPad Mini is for.
With iOS having such reach, this is another way to use it, another form.
It's as simple as that. The iPad Mini probably isn't for everyone, and
that's exactly the point. Like the iPod and the iPod Nano, it's another
style for another crowd. I will say this: when you see it, you'll desire
it. Just remind yourself you may not need it.
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